Around 2004, a moment of absentminded musing with leather scraps, prompted a sculpture series.      A complete system of fabrication revealed its self  as   the inherently primal nature of the material fused seamelessly with a construction technique he invented in his earlier years. That this was an artform that could fully express visually his interest in metaphysical concepts  was confirmed as he delved into African tribal masks. All none-perspective based art traditions became a reservoir. The magical beauty of the Neolithic paintings in the Lascaux and Altamira caves inspired the last step to completely embracing a more primitive, symbolic approach to image making. The coarse, tactile feel of their pigments on rough cave surfaces was the final ingridient. His original, delicate, Conté drawings on textured paper, transformed into large, gritty, pastel drawings on canvas.

Since then, ancient art forms, metaphysical themes and wisdom traditions have become the source as well as the intent of his imagery.